Make no little plans, Daniel Burnham is purported to have said, they have no magic to stir mens blood. Let's take a trip down memory lane to explain why. Perhaps you are discounting the Fulton St. Might Off-center over roadway. Have higher ceilings and most likely some sort of air cooling system for comfort. Another elevator from the south mall leads to fare control.[23]. Again, Worth isnt the best choice, but there are no good choices with an IND style Utica Ave. Not bad. And stations wouldnt be possible if elevated. Flatbush Av-Brooklyn College is 2338 yards away, 28 min walk. Remember any from of transit is only used when planning for the future such as the L train renovations and Clark tunnel reconstruction. Subway prematurely. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. Now, if this was built, the 2/3/4/5 will be able to run to either branchline from either direction. It will extend easterly from Buffalo avenue and Eastern parkway via East 98th street and Livonia avenue to New Lots avenue. Off-road (Chicago style). Despite its name, this station has no exit to the corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway. Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. The current (M) does just fine providing a one-seat ride to Midtown, and riders on the (J) can just transfer. We have a new formula for success: were going to aim for an average team height of 5 3. B: I wouldnt worry much about curves coming into terminals. Like on the Jamaica el. If not too difficult, another phase could be to make the new junction after the existing Utica Avenue station so that, instead of switching between New Lots and Clarendon Road, there be a third switch to the north with an extension up to Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, utilizing the existing shell and completing it, while switching it to an IRT width. Well, actually its curving away but Ave H avoid the curve and take you to it at Albany Ave. And from that point its all residential and there are no freight sidings. On narrow right of way, place one track at ground level and the other above. Unlike at Eastern Parkway there were no track connections ever designed and the station itself sits in the middle of the intersection. and has a much less dominating effect. Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. on Jamaica Ave to burrow the Broadway El into Fulton Lines station. We already did a shutdown that required all trains to be terminated at Franklin Av, and we survived! Looking at Census data based on commuting patterns of riders coming from the two zip codes along Utica Ave the primary destination for most riders is downtown Brooklyn with Midtown West second. Why is it diverging to face the Bay Ridge Branch? When the IRT built the Eastern Parkway Line between 1915 and 1918 they built into it a provision for a future branch down Utica Ave (the IRT, in fact, built its entire Brooklyn section with many provisions for future expansion that either never happened or ended up being built by a competing company). B, the curve wont be as sharp when the train curves down Flatbush to Kings Plaza. 4. Touring: F train to East Broadway. Constructed in 1923, Union Station served the . But the big question for me is what are you going to do about the 5 not running on late nights and weekends? 3. que mangent les gendarmes insectes. (This post was also meant for a different article.). The new trains would be served by trains from Seventh Avenue. [10] The unfinished upper level station was to be built for a subway line down Utica Avenue as part of the IND Second System.[11]. The 8th Ave Subway was designed to replace the 9th Ave El, the 6th Ave and 2nd Ave Subways to replace elevateds running above their avenues. Keep in mind that they wouldnt remove the existing switches so that trains from Brooklyn College could still reverse at Franklin and access New Lots or Utica. The first is that much of the line, as proposed by both IRT and IND engineers, was to be an elevated line. and Park Aves commuter train viaduct looks good all the time. Granted it eventually meets up with all nine of those services, just not in the big pile-up. The Manhattan-bound platform has its metalwork painted in golden yellow and the tiles beneath the trim line in dark blue. The station's I-beam columns are painted maroon, alternating ones having the standard black station name plate with white lettering. How can build the Utica Ave Subway? So we really have to make the most out of the small extensions for now. Crown Heights Utica Avenue Station. I do like the general arc of this post, although there is one bit I find a bit questionable; > Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 6 tracks, with four island platforms. It also depends on adding a new service to Fulton, which Im all for, but as stated in the piece Eastern Parkway already has the extra service which can just be extended. [31], For the station at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, see, Elevator at northwest corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway, in Eastern Parkway median, Last edited on 30 November 2022, at 09:22, Utica Avenue station (IND Fulton Street Line), "Facts and Figures: Annual Subway Ridership 20142019", "Subway to Brooklyn Opened for Traffic; First Regular Passenger Train Went Under the East River Early This Morning. I also dont believe in using provisions for the sake of using provisions; S 4 St (the actual street parallel to Broadway) was never fully completed, so building a subway using that old path would be wildly expensive. It lets light through the middle Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. When would you see it converted to that? Between this station and Ralph Avenue, there is a fifth track between the express tracks, which could be used for storage or turning trains, although it is not normally used. Excellent nonetheless. On the Utica Ave. subway, a half-baked idea with no champion written by Benjamin Kabak February 28, 2017 The Utica Ave. subway extension has once again disappeared into the ether of New York City politics. Jamaica Center would probably be a notch or two higher if it had been designed as terminal and could handle all E train runs. [16], The IRT Eastern Parkway Line was built as part of Route 12 from 1915 to 1918. Imagine what kinds of service could be offered if that block-long tunnel was ever built! The Utica Ave Subway has always played second fiddle to its more well known and well documented younger sibling 2nd Ave. The problem here is between these two streets one lane will have to be teared up and bus stops will have to be relocated and detoured, which messes up a lot of commuters daily travel. The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. Building a subway in these conditions means having to deal with tunnel flooding more so than normal and flooding means corrosion. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. 10. [15] The underground portion of the line became known as the Eastern Parkway Line, or Route 12, while the elevated portion became known as the New Lots Line. Far simpler with more capacity. The second is a simple addition of new switches which is what Im going with. There is also sporadic 2 and 5 service during rush hours. The upper platform serves southbound trains, with local tracks to the west and express tracks to the east, and the lower platform serves northbound trains with a similar configuration. Oh shit I forgot I was playing with skip-stop. The Fulton route would have a bottleneck closer in at the crossings around Hoyt-Schermerhorn. Now during service changes where the 2/3 arent running to Bkyln, the 4 will serve Flatbush, the 5 will go to Utica, and a shuttle will run from Utica to New Lots. In fact Id discount any curve adjacent to a station by about 50%. A hybrid of 1 and 6: The el is still over roadway Rolling back to the more germane silliness, I think Ive sniffed out a problem with the proposed local (2, 3) and express (4, 5) split the lower cost workout will lead to. I would extend the (2)/(5) to Voorhies, with a possible skip-stop to speed up commutes.Otherwise, I agree that this is option MTA will opt for most. They will be hardened to survive skyscrapers falling on them and to survive flooding from the next superstorm. It wont really be providing new services, since youre just substituting services that already exist. A BMT/IND line would cost more because its farther away, meaning more track mileage and a bigger cost, possibly raising the Metrocard fare to $3.00 for one ride. RPA proposes extending the line on a gradual diagonal from 25th Street and 11th Avenue to Ninth Avenue and 14th Street, with a Station at 25th/23rd between 11th and 10th Avenues. I see no value in that whatsoever. I outlined my plans for 2nd Ave in a previous post but one thing I only mentioned in passion was how Phase 4 could be achieved cheaper if it was connected to Nassau St after Chatham Sq (as in, 2nd Ave would not connect to Centre St by Bowery by to Nassau St by Chambers). 31, is a three-track elevated line. But whats your obsession with rerouting the 6th Ave Express to replace (J)/(M) trains? Environmentalists wont sue over the clouds of dust raised. In fact, it makes pretty much every stop that the current B46SBS makes except for Winthrop, which IMO is not really deserving of a stop. Now for the second option. This would suggest that even if the full line was to be built most riders would be transferring to trunk lines headed to downtown rather staying on to midtown via Williamsburg. The Board of Rapid Transit Commissioners approved the route on September 27, 1900,[6] and the contract was signed on September 11, 1902. The elevated structure would be built in such a way that future buildings would be built around and above the line. want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. make elevateds palatable again I want everything else done so that it ensures it will work. "Not a lot of people get to see this area," said Doug Nintzel with the . The point is that focusing on just the Utica Ave section alone could make this project shovel ready while 2nd Ave Phase 3 is still a pipe dream. [21], This underground station serves local and express trains in a two-level layout with two island platforms. With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. I-beams and could be outfitted as faades on older structures as they Youre less likely to be the goat. And as mentioned before, an IRT branch off of Eastern Pkwy should be built instead to reduce this amount of cost, except the (3) should be rerouted there instead of the (5). Trains are one of the oldest forms of transportation out there, which means abandoned depots are scattered all across the country. The current switch layout requires that local trains merge directly in front of express trains causing delays and capacity constrains. That leaves the Broadway portion It has to go BWY7 which means local tracks in Brooklyn. Maybe place one of the Ls tracks in the cut and the other over it at street level? A flying junction could in fact be built using the existing provisions but the new platform would have to be south of the existing station. MTA Subway - Crown Heights/Utica Ave (3/4) 1117 Eastern Pkwy. Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. Switch the 3/4 so that the 3 still goes to New Lots Av, but the 4 will now go to Flatbush Av. C, the yard that would be built over the bus depot would be able to host more trains (btw can it be named Marine Park Yards or Mill Basin Yards) seeing that it is smaller. Abandoned Jerome Post Office (Jerome) This mile-high town in the Black Hills of Yavapai County was once a thriving mining community where rich stores of copper, gold and silver ore were discovered in the late 19 th century. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. But thats how I see it. Not that it would do anything for tunnel though. The station spacing was done to keep costs down. Subway, local station, ADA accessible (ONLY northbound 6) 59 St. E 60 St and Lexington Ave, E 59 St and Lexington Ave, E 60 St and 3rd Ave. Four side platforms. When the booth and turnstile bank are closed, three HEET turnstiles and one exit-only turnstile provide access to/from the entrance. But that off-road el idea is just too cool to pass up (I love your picture of the Chicago train going through the building). station count on BWY7 and 8AV between 110th and 72nd. still hanging up there and apparently needing the dead space over ENY This is to avoid overcrowding issues at Franklin/Nevins, and to provide more alternatives along each corridor. And also, what will take the (B)s place as the Brighton Express? Using the IRT as the basis for a Utica Avenue line is much more feasible. Lower track becomes less of a climb. The MTA has only been making these small extensions, the last major one (affected more than 3 lines) was in 1967-1968, which changed the BB, T, TT, D, F, JJ, M, MM, and the QT, and added the QJ, B, and KK. But can a three way switch be built between Nostrand, President, and Franklin? Before the renovation of this station in 1995, it was possible to see the unfinished station from the mezzanine. So your service pattern would look something like this, which is perfectly doable, north of 63rd Q, T to Fulton local, 15TPH each Members hailed the decision to save the station, and were encouraged by the public response to the Adirondack operation, despite its ultimate bankruptcy. ; Mayor Declares Subway Open -- Ovations for Parsons and McDonald", "Brooklyn Joyful Over New Subway Celebrates Opening of Extension with Big Parade and a Flow of Oratory An Ode to August Belmont Anonymous Poet Calls Him "the Brownie of the Caisson and Spade" He Talks on Subways", "618 Miles of Track In The Dual System; City Will Have Invested $226,000,000 When Rapid Transit Project Is Completed", "Differ Over Assessment Plans in Transit Projects: Eastern Parkway Subway and Livonia Avenue Extension the Cause of Bitter Dissension Among Property Owners Uptown", "More Interborough Service for Brooklyn 2 New Lines", "Brooklyn Tube Extensions Open: I.R.T. Just an idea! Lest I bring on comparisons to Robert Moses I would like to point out that on the western side of Utica Ave, from the Bay Ridge Line to Flatbush Ave, there are exactly 9 residential buildings. But thats not necessarily for the bad. The A/C line in Brooklyn cant be tampered with, because both trains are crowded during rush hours, and the A or C cant be diverted before Broadway Junction, because then at the nearest express station, your going to see a huge crowd, and the point of Broadway Junction is to drop off the passangers to other trains to get home or to get to work. But this does not deal with the immediate needs of those that live along Utica Ave. Building an extension of the IRT could be opened long before the section through northern Brooklyn and would have immediate benefits by serving more riders with direct service rather than requiring transferring. By SAS standards thatd run to 7 billion. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build.. Eastern Parkway & Utica Avenue. In fact I am writing this today because I want to get ahead of whatever the official plan might state; I have very little faith in MTA planners and I feel that anything they release will be overly designed in a way so that its D.O.A. Close by to where youd have your subway portal at Kings Highway is the Bay Ridge branch. If the C leaves, the A becomes even more crowded/congested. Williamsburg in comparison to a Bypass is a much lower priority, since the L is not operating anywhere near signalling capacity; upgrading the power supply gives you a bump from 21TPH to 26TPH, nearly a 25% increase in service, and building tail tracks and appropriate terminals also increases that number. Its not a great idea but I was going off what I heard. Anyone? The closest stations to Utica Avenue are: Utica Av/Beverly Rd is 115 yards away, 2 min walk. Despite his influence as Senate Majority Leader, the Utica Avenue subway may never leave the station. I grant you C outright; shorter trains being more maneuverable in yards. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. That gives you much more cacapity to work with than just the 10 tph you be stuck with via your plan (assuming you mean to have it be the Queens Blvd branch of 2nd Ave). It will be an additional use of Bay Ridge, besides dropping the L into it, and thus help thwart the Triborough RX effort. Yes, it would take ages for New York to make the Plan for Action setup even remotely possible, but the fact is that the smaller size of the IRT inherently bottlenecks passenger capacity (as known by Lexington Avenue) and also is an operational pain-in-the-neck, since the IRT cant use IND platforms. 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Now most likely a shuttle will run service between Utica and New Lots and Flatbush and President. The victim was found. The additional traffic warranting the fix will come Utica but you want the Utica service on the EPL express tracks which carry over to LEX. Well, maybe the few short runs can be extended but all the new runs have to be BWY7. Queens has the big unmet demand; its got the 12th and 25th busiest stations in the system as TERMINALS! Located at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, it is served by the A train at all times and the C train at all times except late nights. Oh well, maybe that will help since Im taking the express trains away from Nostrand. 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Its a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. You could replace Lafayette Ave with a new station that joins the fray and then shares track with the R. All tunnels built after the original subway were built to B Division standards. I disagree that people can just simply take a bus, but extending the Nostrand Av line south is needed. from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. Like Court Square-Court Square awkward? I never said I disagreed with staging it so that Utica is first built. Other sources indicate that the unused level at Fulton St.s Utica station is not quite perpendicular but slanted 20 degrees or so in the favorable direction. The center of the station slopes down and there is a lowered ceiling compared to the rest of the station. Thanks for listening Vanshnooken! In 1977, the fight to save Utica Union Station and the Adirondack Railway's plans to reopen the abandoned Utica-Lake Placid line prompted formation of the Utica & Mohawk Valley Chapter. Noise complaints, and B46 would have to be detoured. 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